Also, any notion that vehicles are equivalent in speed is by someone who has never tried to take ANY wheeled transport out of a busy CES or other large convention in Vegas... it was a 20 minute walk to the strip but I did that every time as it was faster than trying to get a cab out. They are building solar roofs, house battery packs and even power plant battery packs. This discussion has been archived. But I think they miss the point. Walking one mile? For example I bought a car which Elon said was a 700hp car (actual website said 691hp, but close enough) and which will be able to find me anywhere on private property with the summon feature. To feasibly build a large network of tunnels, one must first rapidly innovate to increase tunneling speed and reduce tunneling costs. Had I known this, I wo. I always suspected that Hyperloop was more about cheaper tunneling. They are building factories to make batteries for electric cars. from around the world to design, build, and race their own tunneling solution at The Boring Company’s Dig-a-Factory in the first Not-a-Boring Competition in Summer 2021. I'm sure that would be even more effective at distracting people from what was delivered. And even a badly designed conventional subway can move over 100,000 passengers per hour [intelligenttransport.com]. All I see is Musk reinventing standard tunneling and then wasting most of its capacity by using low-capacity vehicles. He's built a tunnel that uses guided cars utilising the same technology as guided buses. Elon Musk's tunneling firm invited members of … Utilities: with a typical minimum depth of 30 feet, our tunnels are well beneath most utilities, which are typically less than 10 feet below the surface.In circumstances where a utility is located deeper, the tunnel depth is increased accordingly. Solar, massive batteries, underground tunnels...his brother is currently. So yes, they have "failures". * For a bit over 4k passengers per hour (the required peak capacity on the leg) For Musk's project there's also some gaslighting going on, but of a very different kind. Seems like a lot of hassle when they could just have used an electric train powered directly. It's quite common in big cities where main trunk lines require high capacity, but the requirement for capacity diminishes the farther out it goes and the stations begin to fragment, so the train is split up instead. Ya, you want to ride a bike around the Strip in the middle of the summer you go right ahead, buddy. And yet they are still more dangerous than trains, because of rubber tires and tarmac roads. Automated routing and charging will be developed iteratively. 100 MPH in the Roadster). The point is where this is headed, not where it is. There are plenty of trains where certain cars split off at different stations without one ever having to leave the train. That is their goal, and they have made some progress. Let's all hope that the driven cars are just a stopgap, to quickly get that first short section of tunnel into use by the first trickle of passengers. It opened in 1980 (not at that length, since some terminals didn't exist yet then). On the self driving side: You are absolutely correct. Maybe we will make friends ==>> utka.su/id7217. They are pushing the space industry forward in ways we haven't seen since the USA vs USSR era decades ago. This competition challenges teams to come up with tunneling solutions and answer the question, “Can you beat the snail?”. You have two separate destinations, so halve the amount of destination (35 per minute). It's called "induced demand". Pumps would be running 24/7. Theoretically you could call a "Tesla Cab" to pick you up at your house and then it would drive to the nearest tunnel station and enter there, exit near destination, then drop you off at your destination. Is a coastal city, in a hurricane zone, really a good candidate to be building underground tunnels? I don't disagree that if you were offered something and you agree to buy you should get what was offered. I only found some vague answers in an old FAQ: https://web.archive.org/web/20... [archive.org], I have not found any details on the number of emergency exits or the distances between them. "about 10 mph less than the top speed of a 1908 Ford Model T,". One needs to consider the need to get to your car (or car gets to you, i guess) first, drive to the tunel, get to the transit depth, then drive through, then get to the ground level... find a parking spot and WALK to you destination... at such distances, yeah, walking all the way can get you there at closely same time, with some cardio as a bonus. Note that Musk hasn't really been much involved in any hyperloop project, but did create a tunneling company. The whole point of projects like this is to get experience while developing Prufrock, which is designed to be: * Mostly automated (minimal labour)* Mass produced (low unit cost)* Road transportable on a cradle* Able to start tunneling at an angle directly off of its cradle, and surface directly off of a cradle on the other side (no initial pit). While that's possible, it's not automated, fine-grained, or common. Using smaller light trains that are walk-on rather than sit-down like a car would mean you could have them arriving every minute or two. But that's walking, which is what animals do, and it takes a while and has the potential to make you sweat. More roads attracts more traffic. 120 MPH would not have been safe, and the whole idea of using automobiles was half baked anyway. Sounds about as fast as a hyperloop and moving about the same number of people. Why on earth do you think he should do that, when there are people perfectly happy to pay him to experiment as this story shows? I'm guessing the real design goal of this thing is off-planet habitat construction, which would explain why it also creates bricks out of excess dirt, a trick of dubious value on earth. This is about par for what you get from Elon Musk hype vs. delivery. Everyone that needs to get yo C, D, E... needs to get off, wait, switch trains etc. That it was built quickly, even during a pandemic? There's a middle ground. Rei's rider throughput number for the monorail appears to be one he just made up. If the Boring Company has made any advances that allow tunneling to performed more cheaply and faster, that would be very useful - for building subway tunnels. It is to us too, so our equipment is designed and manufactured to meet national and international safety standards such as CE, OSHA, and CSA. Many of these also travel faster than the 120mph promised. Also, complaining about the top speed? Want to read Slashdot from your mobile device? Only an idiot would do something for free that they could get people to pay them to do. This gives EVs a lot more ability to accelerate at higher speeds than cars with a gasoline engine, typically. Yeah, but the problem is now it's turned out to be complete garbage people are going to be like "Hur hur we told you public transit SUCKS! If you have a route that has a peak demand of 4200 passengers per hour (usually much less), and you want to use 1000-passenger subway cars, you're looking at one departure every 15 minutes, rather than instantly. The larger it gets the worse all the problems get. MBE diesels are parent bore, meaning that the engine has to come out for a rebuild, which is too expensive. Trademarks property of their respective owners. (We're not even going to bother getting into the PRT/direct-to-destination expansion possibilities, which are already underway). Math typo fail. Tunnel Boring Machines Products. Now, subway costs do benefit linearly with route density (up to a point), scale with a constant factor with respect to distance, but suffer negatively linearly with increasing numbers of destinations - as well as having a very high base cost to begin with. Based on the FAQ answer they seem to believe that they can handle a burning care mainly with the ventilation system. That it's comfortable? If the actual metrics for acceleration and speed are correct, wouldn't that be more relevant? Try your Model T during rush hour above, to see if you reach that speed. All this seems to be is an automated way of sitting in traffic, which is what will happen when it's mediocre capacity is reached. If the client did not want to pay for a train in it, then they have this lower cost option and that is fine. Just build moar roads DUH!". Teams will compete to bore a 30-meter tunnel with a cross-sectional area of 0.2 square meters (equivalent to a circle with a 0.5-meter diameter). That it didn't integrate with and bolster the existing commuter rail system in CA, thus serving even more cities? Where are you going to put that dedicated bus lane that runs around the convention center? Speed of implementation, I'd expect. Give it a chance. Why bother with the self driving aspect (assuming that's the long term goal)? We have been able to do this for a century, and in no way is it better than using a train. This is the Musk m.o. Even cheaper and better to not goto Vegas inthe first place. For everybody. * Your budget is about $50M. Because in the 1970s the Federal government actually gave out grants to "people mover" projects (mass transit by another name) where the one condition was there were no metal rails or flanged wheels involved. But if you're doing both expresses and direct routes, and you still want to stick with 1000-passenger vehicles, now they're departing every half hour. Why hold up the project reinventing the transport when they could make it work in 1.5 years with existing transport solutions? The Boring Company (Abkürzung TBC, englisch für „das bohrende – oder auch – das langweilige Unternehmen“) ist ein US-amerikanisches Tunnelbau- und Infrastrukturunternehmen.Es wurde von Elon Musk gegründet und hat seinen Sitz in Hawthorne, Kalifornien, auf dem Gelände von SpaceX Anyone who's surprised that they're using a Tesla in v.0 hasn't been paying attention to Musk. And do they have child seats? If it does, then replacing the cars by small automated purpose-built capsules could be made to behave like a horizontal elevator with offline stops, whisking small groups of passengers to destinations with few i. Because proposing a rail based system would undermine the insane idea that trains are "obsolete". But there's a reason it doesn't fly anymore. It's neat that tunnels can be used for other things too. Remember that many people have difficulty lifting luggage so roll on/off is ideal, and if it's something like a pushchair it's also a lot of hassle to get the child out, fold it, and then do all the reverse. There may be more comments in this discussion. They're going to roll it out for big rigs first, and then they will abandon it the first time a failed recap tears off, winds up destroying a bunch of other recaps, and essentially winds up in an effective "derailment" for a road "train" of 18 wheelers. Sounds nice, but I don't think they need me there. The Boring Company is gauging interest from everyone (students, companies, hobbyists, etc.) That it was cheap? I would rather they used SpaceX vehicles in the tunnel. Really, now, what kind of person would buy a "Not A Flamethrower" and expect to get a flamethrower? That it's expandable?     * The surface is already built out Musk's The Boring Company own the machines that dug the tunnels, and those machines, some of which were heavily modified by the company, are capable of using the excess dirt from the tunnel to turn into bricks, which is pretty cool, I guess. Awesome!Slasdotters: "Boring","Same speed as a Model T", "Absolute garbage", etc.I watched the video from Mick Ackers on the linked page [electrek.co] and it looked fine. It was the Tesla Model S P85D flagship model. Huh, Boring Company made a tunnel for a real client! It carries 200,000 people a day back and forth.
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