And even a badly designed conventional subway can move over 100,000 passengers per hour [intelligenttransport.com]. I want to enjoy the journey, and the end condition. I'm guessing these sort of projects are just practice runs for using this tech on Mars. Always. One needs to consider the need to get to your car (or car gets to you, i guess) first, drive to the tunel, get to the transit depth, then drive through, then get to the ground level... find a parking spot and WALK to you destination... at such distances, yeah, walking all the way can get you there at closely same time, with some cardio as a bonus. You don't solve a problem by rejecting things that work out of some ideological stupidity. How small are these "trains" exactly? Name me one city that will take 50% or more of its public transport customers from within, advances that allow tunneling to performed more cheaply and faster. It's neat that tunnels can be used for other things too. But I think they miss the point. Regardless of whether they are actually full self drive as of today. This is what I expect. But they're still doing a lot, more than most companies out there. Instead I'll drive to work (it's only about 7mi each way, I could easily do it with any EV that is highway-legal since I need to take the highway to get there — when they come down in price I'll buy a used one — and if it would do the job, I'd even consider a NEV, but it won't) and then I'll ride my MTB on trails on weekends. Sure I was a bit let down when the Los Angeles tunnel scaled back its plans and they stuck a Tesla in there, but what right do we have to expect more? Note that I'm not necessarily talking "full self-. Speaking of which, how are the cars accessible? 100 MPH in the Roadster). They are building solar roofs, house battery packs and even power plant battery packs. Not even London and Paris, which have similar issues with density and old, buried infrastructure. Just a basic, fairly small tunnel and ordinary cars. It's being done to help the train, not the customer - as you said, it's for remote areas where the trains aren't even xlose to full. They can be connected with a software fix compared to trying to connect two subway lines which can take decades. We have been able to do this for a century, and in no way is it better than using a train.   * The surface is already built out The larger it gets the worse all the problems get. The 4 car Mark VI monorail train accommodates 222 passengers and the trains arrive every four to eight minutes which is a range of 1665 to 3330 people an hour not the "620" he pulls from nowhere. Sheesh!".     * With two minute transfer times direct-to-destination across what's normally a 20-30 minute walk on the long leg, up to 60 minutes during crowded times And that is going to stick in a lot of people's minds. It's easy to dream until you've got a client. The Model 3 dashboard (th, You obviously missed the point, which was that Elon doesn't deliver anywhere near what he sells. More specifically to your question, power absolutely matters to people who choose to pay for it. For everybody. I suppose I could take care of the wearing myself out with an e-bike, but for the same money I could buy a decent used car. You're assigned to build a system: * For a bit over 4k passengers per hour (the required peak capacity on the leg) Tunneling is an amazingly useful thing to be able to do, and globally the market in tunnel diggings is something like 1.5 trillion dollars. For example, the current Model S P100D has only two-thirds the horsepower of a Lamborghini Aventador, but accelerates 0 to 60 half again faster (~2 seconds versus ~3). No new comments can be posted. There is a tremendous amount of value in what the convention tunnel is doing, even at the lower speeds it's currently being forced to run. For example I bought a car which Elon said was a 700hp car (actual website said 691hp, but close enough) and which will be able to find me anywhere on private property with the summon feature. Teams will compete to bore a 30-meter tunnel with a cross-sectional area of 0.2 square meters (equivalent to a circle with a 0.5-meter diameter). Besides, in a tunnel, on a known path, no cross traffic, consistent lighting and no rain/snow/fog: this is the ideal self-driving environment.     * With zero waiting in most circumstances Will the system eventually be able to leave the closed loop? Even cheaper and better to not goto Vegas inthe first place. Trademarks property of their respective owners. In fact, one of my earliest memories is of my dad's Toronado burning down in our driveway one night. * Your budget is about $50M. All this seems to be is an automated way of sitting in traffic, which is what will happen when it's mediocre capacity is reached. I fail to see how living on Mars wearing a nappie for the rest of your life is saving.     * The surface is already built out You could compare it to the Holocaust too. It's the same with hyperloop, in the same time that Musk has been going on about how easy it is China has covered their entire country in high speed rail. For a test track in the middle of nowhere, he could even do it on the surface. The only winner is musk taking millions and delivering crap. That's an interesting idea. 4,200 passengers per hour vs. 6201.5 years to build vs. 4yrsZero wait time vs. 6 minutes$52m for 1,1mi vs. $650m for 4mi. An electric vehicle's torque is constant up to a fairly high speed (e.g. We are not responsible for them in any way. They must have somewhere to charge all those cars overnight too. The difference being: in a downtown area, where trains are always full, it's not being done, for example. So, promising 4400 people per hour at 120mph, delivering 800 at 35mph is about what you'd expect from Elon's hype to reality history. Now show me someone who's built a 1 mile underground light train system with three stations for $50M. But there's a reason it doesn't fly anymore. Musk hypes so much they everyone expects a technological miracle whenever they're invited to see a demonstration. They are making boosters that can land back and be reused instead of being dumped like garbage in the oceans. Why don't they put rails on that? They are building tunnels, even if this one fell very short of their proposal. The problem with Mercedes buses is the same as the problem with Mercedes cars: They are disposable.     * It's Vegas, so it should be exciting. I guess what I'm saying is, of course the first commercial project isn't going to be spectacular. The "Not A Flamethrower"? If the former, one could use "induced demand" to argue against the entire invention of cars, wagons, domesticated horses, trains and canal/riverboats. Come on, it's less than 2 miles .. 35 miles per hour will get you there in well under 2 minutes. Still a win, but not as big a win as you imply. ...One aspect I'm a bit confused by is why not have the transport rail mounted? I also love how Slashdot decided to quote only armchair critics who haven't even been there. Rei's rider throughput number for the monorail appears to be one he just made up. Horse-buses could actually be better in this case. Which is why you don't see them fancy Merce. That flamethrowers is a perfectly good $60^H^H^H $500 roofing torch! ~20 passenger vehicles), constant with respect to distance, and benefits logarithmically from an increasing number of destinations (which implies an increasing number of possible routes to get there, because unlike with a subway, everyone takes an optimal route to their destination). Remember when Elon seemed to be talking about actually reinventing mass transit rather than just putting his little cars into tunnels so they could avoid traffic? That it was cheap? And do they have child seats? Elon Musk is merely the latest in a long line to propose a dubious "alternative" to rail that completely sucks, not to create something better, but to avoid letting rail become respectable again. If you were ever to test drive a P85D and a 3rd gen P100D (which actually achieved the advertised 700hp), you'd feel the difference. I also thought that Tesla might secretly be more about batteries than cars. That it's direct to destination? So people moving within downtown still have to switch trains if their stations are not aligned along the same track. Ask Australia about this one. Save money at least in cities like Las Vegas? I have a suspicion that this whole hyperloop deal is just an excuse to create The Boring Company. Personally I paid ~$25K more for P85D vs 85D, for which my car was supposed to deliver 315hp more, instead I got 50hp. The peak capacity of 4200 per hour equates to 70 per minute. The Boring Company is gauging interest from everyone (students, companies, hobbyists, etc.) For Musk's project there's also some gaslighting going on, but of a very different kind. He promises the moon, delivers Arizona desert. And 1-2 minutes wait, plus slower acceleration, so 3-4 minutes travel, equals 5 minutes per trip, vs. 2. Subway trains can have a capacity of 80,000 people per hour About 80 times higher than this system. It's quite common in big cities where main trunk lines require high capacity, but the requirement for capacity diminishes the farther out it goes and the stations begin to fragment, so the train is split up instead. Sounds about as fast as a hyperloop and moving about the same number of people. They are building electric cars and basically forced other car companies to finally start making electric cars. According to reporters on site (which Slashdot did not bother to include in its rush to link all the hit pieces they could find), they intend to make larger vehicles specifically for Loop as the project expands. Hey! That's less per km than the Big Dig [wikipedia.org], a comparable road project (with much lower capacity). For that short a distance, more speed would not add a lot anyway - they need to remove the regulations limiting throughput first. That it's comfortable? With this, theoretically, yiu could get into a car, input destination B, C, D or E into your board computer, drive down the tunnel ramp at A and an automated guidance system would take it from there. by It carries 200,000 people a day back and forth. Those Vegas Loop assume nobody will fuck up driving in and out. Is a coastal city, in a hurricane zone, really a good candidate to be building underground tunnels? But it managed to create buzz, and again contribute to the FUD campaign that's been crippling CAHSR since it started, again repeating the cycle of "Why are we investing in this thing that's taking so long to build because every time they're about to start doing anything we again raise questions about why we're investing in this thing and hold off for more discussions, when there's a futuristic technology that doesn't exist that we could be building instead!". I have been fooled by Elon a few times. It's deeply unimpressive. The whole point of projects like this is to get experience while developing Prufrock, which is designed to be: * Mostly automated (minimal labour)* Mass produced (low unit cost)* Road transportable on a cradle* Able to start tunneling at an angle directly off of its cradle, and surface directly off of a cradle on the other side (no initial pit). Try your Model T during rush hour above, to see if you reach that speed. All terminals at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson airport are connected with the Plane Train, which is 2.8 miles of automated "people mover" trains.
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